1 00:00:04,160 --> 00:00:02,389 and it hits me oh my gosh this is that 2 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:04,170 triangle you know there's explanation 3 00:00:07,309 --> 00:00:05,370 for everything that occurred in the 4 00:00:09,799 --> 00:00:07,319 rendlesham forest incident that doesn't 5 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:09,809 involve aliens at all it was completely 6 00:00:16,039 --> 00:00:12,450 silent it comes right over our heads 7 00:00:17,660 --> 00:00:16,049 it's so a classic flying-saucer really 8 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:17,670 standing in the clearing he turned over 9 00:00:20,779 --> 00:00:19,410 to my father and held his hand and he 10 00:00:25,759 --> 00:00:20,789 looked in his eyes and said we're not 11 00:00:28,070 --> 00:00:25,769 alone welcome to Podcast UFO with martin 12 00:00:31,429 --> 00:00:28,080 willis and michael luke please remember 13 00:00:33,620 --> 00:00:31,439 to visit the website podcast UFO com 14 00:00:36,319 --> 00:00:33,630 check out the latest blogs and forums 15 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:36,329 and while you're there don't forget to 16 00:00:41,510 --> 00:00:39,690 like our very active Facebook page hello 17 00:00:43,670 --> 00:00:41,520 and welcome to the show I'm Martin 18 00:00:46,250 --> 00:00:43,680 Willis your host and michael luke will 19 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:46,260 be joining us well actually he'll be 20 00:00:50,299 --> 00:00:47,489 joining us right now how you doing 21 00:00:51,380 --> 00:00:50,309 Michael great how are you good you 22 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:51,390 didn't know I was gonna pull you in this 23 00:00:56,110 --> 00:00:54,090 quickly did you know I was just taking a 24 00:01:00,260 --> 00:00:56,120 drink with you but he said that again 25 00:01:04,460 --> 00:01:00,270 okay yeah well today's podcast is number 26 00:01:06,170 --> 00:01:04,470 71 and it is with well it's it's 27 00:01:08,960 --> 00:01:06,180 actually with no one we don't have a 28 00:01:12,170 --> 00:01:08,970 guest we actually have mark Simha coming 29 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:12,180 up from Beijing China he's our China 30 00:01:16,399 --> 00:01:14,010 correspondent he'll be with us a little 31 00:01:18,620 --> 00:01:16,409 later on we had a couple of very 32 00:01:21,140 --> 00:01:18,630 interesting things happen this week we 33 00:01:22,899 --> 00:01:21,150 had a couple recordings backlogged that 34 00:01:25,070 --> 00:01:22,909 we were ready to post one of them and 35 00:01:27,249 --> 00:01:25,080 neither one of them worked i'll talk a 36 00:01:30,170 --> 00:01:27,259 little bit more about that later also 37 00:01:32,660 --> 00:01:30,180 because of our talk last week about the 38 00:01:36,410 --> 00:01:32,670 paso gula incident we were going to have 39 00:01:38,390 --> 00:01:36,420 Calvin Parker on but he is undergoing 40 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:38,400 some medical treatment right now I want 41 00:01:44,300 --> 00:01:40,650 to read a quote from an email he sent me 42 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:44,310 since the AP story broke about the 40th 43 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:46,530 anniversary okay here it is right here 44 00:01:51,859 --> 00:01:49,770 quote after the AP tracked me down at my 45 00:01:54,170 --> 00:01:51,869 home and ran the story my whole life has 46 00:01:55,969 --> 00:01:54,180 been turned upside down people I don't 47 00:01:58,249 --> 00:01:55,979 even know are showing up at my door at 48 00:02:00,230 --> 00:01:58,259 all hours of the day I don't even know 49 00:02:02,209 --> 00:02:00,240 how they get my address some are nut 50 00:02:05,060 --> 00:02:02,219 jobs and I can't get rid of them without 51 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:05,070 threatening them the mailman has to hand 52 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:08,090 deliver the mail because there's so much 53 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:10,530 unquote so he's going through a really 54 00:02:13,730 --> 00:02:12,690 tough time so if you happen to be 55 00:02:15,890 --> 00:02:13,740 listening in 56 00:02:17,690 --> 00:02:15,900 you're one of these people attacking him 57 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:17,700 please back off he's a nice guy and 58 00:02:21,950 --> 00:02:19,770 before we get into other things here i 59 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:21,960 want to give us one more shout out i 60 00:02:28,550 --> 00:02:25,490 gave a few last week to rainier car done 61 00:02:31,460 --> 00:02:28,560 hopefully i pronounced that okay he's 62 00:02:33,260 --> 00:02:31,470 one of the facebook fans that we have I 63 00:02:35,300 --> 00:02:33,270 don't not even sure quite sure if he 64 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:35,310 listens to the show but I wanted to give 65 00:02:40,340 --> 00:02:37,170 a shout out because he's very supportive 66 00:02:42,290 --> 00:02:40,350 on our Facebook page last week you may 67 00:02:46,130 --> 00:02:42,300 remember we talked about the russian 68 00:02:51,260 --> 00:02:46,140 meteorite so i have a clip coming up 69 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:51,270 here posted by stuart Gary it's a show 70 00:02:56,870 --> 00:02:54,090 called star stuff a really good show I 71 00:02:59,510 --> 00:02:56,880 recommend it and so I'm going to play 72 00:03:01,940 --> 00:02:59,520 that clip now Russian divers have pulled 73 00:03:04,340 --> 00:03:01,950 a half-ton meteorite believed to be from 74 00:03:06,410 --> 00:03:04,350 the famous chilling of links media from 75 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:06,420 the murky depths of a lake in the Urals 76 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:09,330 the recovery operation came eight months 77 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:11,610 after a piercing streak of light lit up 78 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:13,530 the morning sky in the central Russian 79 00:03:17,750 --> 00:03:15,570 region of Cheong Yablonski generating a 80 00:03:19,790 --> 00:03:17,760 ground-shaking shockwave which smashed 81 00:03:22,430 --> 00:03:19,800 windows in top of buildings entering 82 00:03:24,890 --> 00:03:22,440 some 1,500 people event which was 83 00:03:26,780 --> 00:03:24,900 recorded on card dash cams and security 84 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:26,790 cameras across the city made worldwide 85 00:03:31,370 --> 00:03:29,130 news and also triggered the American 86 00:03:33,770 --> 00:03:31,380 nuclear blast detector system in Alaska 87 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:33,780 the medial broke apart into mirrored 88 00:03:37,430 --> 00:03:35,970 pieces some just centimetres wide the 89 00:03:39,170 --> 00:03:37,440 remnants of which scientists are still 90 00:03:41,630 --> 00:03:39,180 fighting scattered across the remote 91 00:03:43,910 --> 00:03:41,640 region a number of large chunks of 92 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:43,920 debris was seen by witnesses to splash 93 00:03:48,710 --> 00:03:45,890 into a local lake called Lake Chebarkul 94 00:03:50,780 --> 00:03:48,720 in a recovery operation broadcast live 95 00:03:52,070 --> 00:03:50,790 on Russian television divers entered the 96 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:52,080 freezing waters of the lake and 97 00:03:55,970 --> 00:03:54,210 recovered a one and a half meter wide 98 00:03:57,590 --> 00:03:55,980 rock which they first wrapped in a 99 00:03:59,690 --> 00:03:57,600 special protective fabric wallet was 100 00:04:01,790 --> 00:03:59,700 still underwater the Balder was then 101 00:04:03,770 --> 00:04:01,800 pulled ashore and placed on top of a 102 00:04:06,050 --> 00:04:03,780 massive scale for the all-important 103 00:04:07,790 --> 00:04:06,060 Wayne however that was an operation 104 00:04:10,340 --> 00:04:07,800 which quickly went wrong as several 105 00:04:12,380 --> 00:04:10,350 large chunks crumbled off in fact the 106 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:12,390 scale itself then broke just after it 107 00:04:17,420 --> 00:04:15,810 hit 570 kilograms scientists involved in 108 00:04:18,949 --> 00:04:17,430 the recovery efforts say the meteorite 109 00:04:21,199 --> 00:04:18,959 already had a fracture in it when they 110 00:04:24,230 --> 00:04:21,209 found it they estimate the original mass 111 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:24,240 of the rock at some 600 kilograms they 112 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:26,610 say it'll be some time before scientists 113 00:04:28,970 --> 00:04:27,570 can certify that 114 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:28,980 Rock they pulled from the lake did 115 00:04:33,230 --> 00:04:31,410 indeed come from outer space divers have 116 00:04:34,970 --> 00:04:33,240 already recovered some 12 pieces from 117 00:04:37,010 --> 00:04:34,980 the lake since the februari 15th 118 00:04:38,780 --> 00:04:37,020 incident however only about four or five 119 00:04:41,840 --> 00:04:38,790 of those rocks turned out to be real 120 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:41,850 meteorites still researchers at John the 121 00:04:46,100 --> 00:04:43,890 blintz State University seem confident 122 00:04:47,570 --> 00:04:46,110 with their latest find they believe this 123 00:04:49,370 --> 00:04:47,580 will be one of the largest fragments of 124 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:49,380 the meteor and most likely one of the 125 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:51,410 ten largest meteorites ever recovered 126 00:04:55,790 --> 00:04:53,730 researchers believe the medial probably 127 00:04:57,590 --> 00:04:55,800 weighed about 10,000 tons when it 128 00:04:59,990 --> 00:04:57,600 exploded a few kilometers in the air 129 00:05:02,630 --> 00:05:00,000 with a force equivalent to 30 Hiroshima 130 00:05:04,550 --> 00:05:02,640 size nuclear bombs scientists say an 131 00:05:06,170 --> 00:05:04,560 object that large usually approaches 132 00:05:09,470 --> 00:05:06,180 earth only once every three or four 133 00:05:11,990 --> 00:05:09,480 decades Chelyabinsk was once part of the 134 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:12,000 Soviet Union's industrial heartland but 135 00:05:16,100 --> 00:05:13,650 it's in a dramatic slide in living 136 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:16,110 standards of late local residents are 137 00:05:19,790 --> 00:05:17,970 now trying to use the media to draw 138 00:05:22,250 --> 00:05:19,800 tourists to their isolated part of 139 00:05:23,660 --> 00:05:22,260 Russia a special council meeting made up 140 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:23,670 of scientist and prominent residents 141 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:25,770 this week urged the local government to 142 00:05:30,230 --> 00:05:28,050 erect a six-story tall statue in honor 143 00:05:33,110 --> 00:05:30,240 of the space rock when or without look 144 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:33,120 like media reports say the council is 145 00:05:36,950 --> 00:05:35,130 also hoping to set up special hiking 146 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:36,960 trails for foreign tourists interested 147 00:05:41,180 --> 00:05:38,610 in visiting the lake and other spots 148 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:41,190 where debris is being found Michael uh 149 00:05:44,570 --> 00:05:43,530 what do you think about the Russians 150 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:44,580 they're pretty smart trying to 151 00:05:49,610 --> 00:05:46,770 capitalize on this meter they're going 152 00:05:52,580 --> 00:05:49,620 to build a monument and everything and 153 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:52,590 trails they know when to cash in on this 154 00:05:57,050 --> 00:05:53,610 type of stuff what do you think about 155 00:05:59,840 --> 00:05:57,060 that whole thing every little town you 156 00:06:02,750 --> 00:05:59,850 know every medium sized town has to grab 157 00:06:04,460 --> 00:06:02,760 on to what they can to to pull an extra 158 00:06:07,370 --> 00:06:04,470 dollars lately I definitely don't fault 159 00:06:10,130 --> 00:06:07,380 them that I really can't wait to see 160 00:06:12,770 --> 00:06:10,140 what the meteor sculpture looks like I 161 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:12,780 know I was trying to picture that like 162 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:16,170 like I think I might have created a 163 00:06:20,750 --> 00:06:17,610 meteor sculpture in the past without 164 00:06:21,770 --> 00:06:20,760 realizing that's possibly yeah I don't 165 00:06:23,690 --> 00:06:21,780 know if it's gonna be like broken 166 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:23,700 windows so around a rock or something 167 00:06:28,280 --> 00:06:25,650 you know I mean what did they say there 168 00:06:29,870 --> 00:06:28,290 was something like 30,000 broken windows 169 00:06:31,850 --> 00:06:29,880 or something like that I can't remember 170 00:06:34,070 --> 00:06:31,860 the number is huge right you're right 171 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:34,080 you know what Bray a bunch of broken 172 00:06:40,820 --> 00:06:36,930 glass that is a that is a good idea it's 173 00:06:43,610 --> 00:06:40,830 kind of a new germanic arts kind of a 174 00:06:45,890 --> 00:06:43,620 like breaking of the vessels or are one 175 00:06:47,810 --> 00:06:45,900 of those sculptures I like that yeah he 176 00:06:51,530 --> 00:06:47,820 plus it can be green you know recycling 177 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:51,540 yeah right yeah and dangerous oh yeah 178 00:06:55,280 --> 00:06:53,250 dangerous just like on Saturday Night 179 00:06:57,320 --> 00:06:55,290 Live they used to remember Dan Aykroyd 180 00:06:59,210 --> 00:06:57,330 used to say broken glass that's where 181 00:07:01,270 --> 00:06:59,220 we're selling kids broken glass I'm not 182 00:07:06,260 --> 00:07:01,280 old enough to remember Danny Aykroyd yes 183 00:07:08,750 --> 00:07:06,270 you bastard okay all right so Michael 184 00:07:11,630 --> 00:07:08,760 what is going on with the news this week 185 00:07:13,790 --> 00:07:11,640 well you know it's it's another weird 186 00:07:17,030 --> 00:07:13,800 week that that brings lots of stories 187 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:17,040 but but nothing no you know huge 188 00:07:21,620 --> 00:07:20,010 sightings or anything but this first one 189 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:21,630 I think is pretty interesting and that 190 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:24,330 is a new UFO hunting manual is is being 191 00:07:29,660 --> 00:07:26,970 released hanes who are famous for their 192 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:29,670 aftermarket automotive repair guides are 193 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:32,610 offering a UFO investigations manual 194 00:07:36,830 --> 00:07:34,770 right now it is being sold in the UK and 195 00:07:39,380 --> 00:07:36,840 it includes the common type of craft 196 00:07:41,270 --> 00:07:39,390 spotted and common flight paths over 197 00:07:42,830 --> 00:07:41,280 Great Britain the manual will be 198 00:07:44,660 --> 00:07:42,840 released later this year in the United 199 00:07:46,700 --> 00:07:44,670 States and can be pre-ordered right now 200 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:46,710 from amazon.com for about twenty three 201 00:07:49,850 --> 00:07:48,330 dollars well I think that's great I 202 00:07:51,830 --> 00:07:49,860 think they should actually make a repair 203 00:07:54,020 --> 00:07:51,840 manual for UFOs you know how they crash 204 00:07:55,130 --> 00:07:54,030 sometimes the article I one of the 205 00:07:58,340 --> 00:07:55,140 articles I read said this was their 206 00:08:00,380 --> 00:07:58,350 first non car manual I thought they 207 00:08:03,380 --> 00:08:00,390 actually made a repair manual for the 208 00:08:05,180 --> 00:08:03,390 Starship Enterprise a few years ago but 209 00:08:07,490 --> 00:08:05,190 that might have been Chilton's now that 210 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:07,500 i think about it but uh if I mean if 211 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:08,610 anybody works in their cars out there 212 00:08:12,650 --> 00:08:10,050 they're probably familiar with Haynes 213 00:08:14,990 --> 00:08:12,660 Haynes guides uh kept my Volkswagen 214 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:15,000 running all through college I know that 215 00:08:18,890 --> 00:08:16,530 and this should be an interesting an 216 00:08:20,570 --> 00:08:18,900 interesting book well I use children's 217 00:08:22,370 --> 00:08:20,580 myself but you know what i was thinking 218 00:08:26,090 --> 00:08:22,380 about we should we should create a book 219 00:08:27,620 --> 00:08:26,100 called UFO for dummies you know you know 220 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:27,630 i think there might be one already is 221 00:08:32,060 --> 00:08:30,690 there one I think the guy was good I was 222 00:08:35,450 --> 00:08:32,070 gonna get Steven Greer involved in 223 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:35,460 everything but uh I'm going down the 224 00:08:39,380 --> 00:08:38,250 path of Steven Greer again already you 225 00:08:44,090 --> 00:08:39,390 know what you know what happened last 226 00:08:46,130 --> 00:08:44,100 time right we got threatened what yeah 227 00:08:48,980 --> 00:08:46,140 we got threatened you don't know you 228 00:08:51,620 --> 00:08:48,990 didn't know that I was carefully opening 229 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:51,630 my mail for fear of anthrax and all that 230 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:53,850 for a couple of weeks but we're not 231 00:08:56,930 --> 00:08:54,810 really picking on 232 00:08:58,880 --> 00:08:56,940 Steven Greer were just saying he could 233 00:09:01,460 --> 00:08:58,890 write the foreword to UFOs for dummies 234 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:01,470 that there's nothing we're not really 235 00:09:08,330 --> 00:09:04,410 picking on him are we uh if we're being 236 00:09:11,470 --> 00:09:08,340 threatened I'm not okay so let's move on 237 00:09:14,210 --> 00:09:11,480 all right 1,000 neighbors and counting 238 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:14,220 scientists have now cataloged over 1,000 239 00:09:19,220 --> 00:09:16,410 exoplanets with about a dozen falling in 240 00:09:21,560 --> 00:09:19,230 the Goldilocks zone which suggests they 241 00:09:24,560 --> 00:09:21,570 could support life the growing body of 242 00:09:26,900 --> 00:09:24,570 catalog planets not only helps us refine 243 00:09:28,220 --> 00:09:26,910 our planet finding capabilities it also 244 00:09:29,930 --> 00:09:28,230 helps us to refine some of the 245 00:09:32,180 --> 00:09:29,940 estimations used in the famous Drake 246 00:09:33,620 --> 00:09:32,190 Equation the mathematical formula which 247 00:09:35,510 --> 00:09:33,630 attempts to estimate the number of 248 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:35,520 advanced civilizations that currently 249 00:09:40,190 --> 00:09:37,410 inhabit the universe I know you're a big 250 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:40,200 fan of the Drake Equation yes i'm a big 251 00:09:45,110 --> 00:09:43,050 fan of the Drake Equation just needs a 252 00:09:47,329 --> 00:09:45,120 little tweaking that's all well this is 253 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:47,339 we're gonna start tweaking it now I mean 254 00:09:51,820 --> 00:09:48,930 for the first time we can we can kind of 255 00:09:54,019 --> 00:09:51,830 say you know we have a percentage that 256 00:09:56,990 --> 00:09:54,029 you know what is that end up being 257 00:09:59,990 --> 00:09:57,000 one-point-two percent of planets seemed 258 00:10:01,730 --> 00:10:00,000 to fall in this habitable zone and and 259 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:01,740 that's a much better estimation than we 260 00:10:05,030 --> 00:10:03,210 ever had before I mean when you think 261 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:05,040 about it you were giving me a little 262 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:06,210 trouble because I'm not old enough to 263 00:10:10,370 --> 00:10:07,410 remember Dan Aykroyd and staring that 264 00:10:12,170 --> 00:10:10,380 live just a little yeah yeah yeah you 265 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:12,180 know it's not my fault I'm as old as you 266 00:10:21,470 --> 00:10:15,450 uh definitely that piscopo Eddie Murphy 267 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:21,480 zone but um who inai whatever with when 268 00:10:27,170 --> 00:10:23,850 that when I was when I was a kid all 269 00:10:30,140 --> 00:10:27,180 probably when I was in college I mean we 270 00:10:32,870 --> 00:10:30,150 knew of no planets outside of our solar 271 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:32,880 system when I when I was in you know 272 00:10:36,860 --> 00:10:34,770 public school i'll mention allah we had 273 00:10:40,340 --> 00:10:36,870 nine planets and we've since 274 00:10:42,199 --> 00:10:40,350 disqualified one of them yeah and and 275 00:10:45,199 --> 00:10:42,209 now we have you know over a thousand 276 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:45,209 more that only in the past few years 277 00:10:49,390 --> 00:10:47,370 that's really kind of amazing it really 278 00:10:52,790 --> 00:10:49,400 is you know I always feel bad for Pluto 279 00:10:55,280 --> 00:10:52,800 you know I mean all this time was a 280 00:10:57,769 --> 00:10:55,290 planet and now it's rejected but I guess 281 00:10:59,449 --> 00:10:57,779 there's some rocks out there you know 282 00:11:02,210 --> 00:10:59,459 further out that are probably even 283 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:02,220 bigger than Pluto so they just can't you 284 00:11:06,740 --> 00:11:04,290 know they can't substantiate calling it 285 00:11:08,180 --> 00:11:06,750 a planet I say bring back Pluto 286 00:11:10,490 --> 00:11:08,190 personally but all right I think 287 00:11:12,950 --> 00:11:10,500 we should we should do a white house 288 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:12,960 petition on that one let's get Stephen 289 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:15,090 Bassett involved in that I'm picking on 290 00:11:21,770 --> 00:11:17,610 the Stephens today oh yeah no I like 291 00:11:23,630 --> 00:11:21,780 Stephen Bassett anyway okay so another 292 00:11:26,330 --> 00:11:23,640 thing out there a lot of people don't 293 00:11:29,900 --> 00:11:26,340 think of is you know some of these moons 294 00:11:33,890 --> 00:11:29,910 just in our own solar system are very 295 00:11:38,180 --> 00:11:33,900 mysterious and could actually possibly 296 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:38,190 host life of some type or it could have 297 00:11:43,700 --> 00:11:40,770 at one time what I'm really saying here 298 00:11:46,070 --> 00:11:43,710 is that it is possible that some moons 299 00:11:49,220 --> 00:11:46,080 of all these planets are finding you 300 00:11:52,070 --> 00:11:49,230 know could also host life am I going too 301 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:52,080 far out there I might be no no I that's 302 00:11:58,940 --> 00:11:55,290 that's entirely uh you know a valid 303 00:12:00,200 --> 00:11:58,950 theory i believe titan there's people 304 00:12:02,750 --> 00:12:00,210 who argue that there might be liquid 305 00:12:06,710 --> 00:12:02,760 water on on it all right under the ice 306 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:06,720 right at you know when you get to out a 307 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:09,210 little bit those larger planets in our 308 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:11,250 own solar system you know their moons 309 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:14,130 are pretty darn large yeah when you 310 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:16,650 think about it so alien abduction 311 00:12:22,070 --> 00:12:19,290 support group after operating as a Colin 312 00:12:24,290 --> 00:12:22,080 hotline for years the starborn support 313 00:12:26,930 --> 00:12:24,300 group has had its first live meeting of 314 00:12:28,910 --> 00:12:26,940 experiences in the Portland area founded 315 00:12:30,560 --> 00:12:28,920 by Audrey and Debbie hewins the group 316 00:12:31,910 --> 00:12:30,570 welcome to Travis Walton abduction 317 00:12:33,650 --> 00:12:31,920 witness Steve Pearce to their first 318 00:12:35,750 --> 00:12:33,660 meeting in our show notes we not only 319 00:12:37,610 --> 00:12:35,760 have a link to the Lewiston Sun Journal 320 00:12:39,830 --> 00:12:37,620 coverage of the first meeting but also 321 00:12:42,140 --> 00:12:39,840 linked to the group itself that was of 322 00:12:44,270 --> 00:12:42,150 course the symposium that I went to 323 00:12:45,950 --> 00:12:44,280 there but they're just publishing this 324 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:45,960 in that paper that's why you get ahold 325 00:12:50,900 --> 00:12:49,410 of that so speaking of Audrey hewins she 326 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:50,910 was one of the people that I had 327 00:12:55,610 --> 00:12:53,850 recorded with as well as you von Smith 328 00:12:57,980 --> 00:12:55,620 out in Southern California when I was 329 00:13:00,590 --> 00:12:57,990 out there and both recordings had these 330 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:00,600 really weird things happen to them and 331 00:13:04,910 --> 00:13:02,610 it's really funny because both of them 332 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:04,920 said the same thing and that is they 333 00:13:09,620 --> 00:13:08,010 weren't surprised at all and Yvonne 334 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:09,630 Smith in particular when I was actually 335 00:13:16,310 --> 00:13:12,930 in her office in LAC kenyatta California 336 00:13:18,770 --> 00:13:16,320 I saw a graph on Garageband that I was 337 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:18,780 actually recording into that was really 338 00:13:21,590 --> 00:13:20,610 strange so I stopped the recording and i 339 00:13:22,939 --> 00:13:21,600 went back and 340 00:13:24,410 --> 00:13:22,949 it's almost like there was that chanting 341 00:13:26,900 --> 00:13:24,420 in the background was a strangest thing 342 00:13:29,689 --> 00:13:26,910 I ever heard so anyway both those 343 00:13:32,150 --> 00:13:29,699 recordings are gone and I'm rambling 344 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:32,160 here so let's move on with the news okay 345 00:13:35,990 --> 00:13:34,170 I'd like to remind everybody that the 346 00:13:39,470 --> 00:13:36,000 New England UFO conference is this 347 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:39,480 weekend as we release on friday it will 348 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:42,930 be tomorrow Saturday and um that'll be 349 00:13:49,460 --> 00:13:47,130 in is it leominster leominster limits 350 00:13:51,470 --> 00:13:49,470 the mass you had a New England accent 351 00:13:54,499 --> 00:13:51,480 it's a lemma stuff Stanton Friedman 352 00:13:56,660 --> 00:13:54,509 Kathleen Martin Travis Walton Steve 353 00:13:58,220 --> 00:13:56,670 Pearce Robert Schroeder and others will 354 00:14:01,790 --> 00:13:58,230 be speaking there and there will also be 355 00:14:03,439 --> 00:14:01,800 a screening of the hidden hand and we'll 356 00:14:05,379 --> 00:14:03,449 be there right I'll be there and please 357 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:05,389 if you're gonna go please say hi to me 358 00:14:11,420 --> 00:14:08,730 are you how are you gonna wear a special 359 00:14:15,439 --> 00:14:11,430 hat how can i identify you um I like yes 360 00:14:18,069 --> 00:14:15,449 UFO shirt face tattoo no I'll be the 361 00:14:23,300 --> 00:14:18,079 handsome distinguished person there 362 00:14:29,329 --> 00:14:23,310 period uh I'll edit that out I think you 363 00:14:32,689 --> 00:14:29,339 might what uh no I'm going to be up in 364 00:14:35,300 --> 00:14:32,699 the press area but I also will have a 365 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:35,310 table out and I'll have some oh I don't 366 00:14:38,660 --> 00:14:37,050 know maybe some brochures or something 367 00:14:40,639 --> 00:14:38,670 out there and something like that that 368 00:14:43,249 --> 00:14:40,649 so everybody goes take your picture with 369 00:14:45,410 --> 00:14:43,259 Martin and put it on facebook to bring 370 00:14:48,439 --> 00:14:45,420 the news to close this week skinwalker 371 00:14:49,939 --> 00:14:48,449 ranch is finally being exploited a new 372 00:14:51,710 --> 00:14:49,949 film based on the stories of the 373 00:14:54,319 --> 00:14:51,720 skinwalker ranch will be available on 374 00:14:57,350 --> 00:14:54,329 demand October thirtieth the film 375 00:14:59,780 --> 00:14:57,360 appears to be a found-footage style of 376 00:15:01,819 --> 00:14:59,790 horror film and it is already marketing 377 00:15:03,259 --> 00:15:01,829 itself by inventing a missing researcher 378 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:03,269 and spreading the story of his 379 00:15:08,050 --> 00:15:05,490 mysterious but completely made-up 380 00:15:11,059 --> 00:15:08,060 disappearance as if it was a real event 381 00:15:12,559 --> 00:15:11,069 right I watched the trailer it looks 382 00:15:15,170 --> 00:15:12,569 like it's going to be a really good 383 00:15:17,509 --> 00:15:15,180 movie but yeah they really embellished a 384 00:15:20,059 --> 00:15:17,519 lot according to the book I read and 385 00:15:23,179 --> 00:15:20,069 speaking of the book and speaking of the 386 00:15:24,679 --> 00:15:23,189 author George Knapp I had a confirmation 387 00:15:28,030 --> 00:15:24,689 that he was going to be on our show and 388 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:28,040 now he's not returning emails he's not 389 00:15:33,679 --> 00:15:31,410 responding to me on facebook so if 390 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:33,689 anyone else out there has a connection 391 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:35,130 with George Knapp 392 00:15:41,630 --> 00:15:38,450 get him on the show and also while I'm 393 00:15:43,340 --> 00:15:41,640 begging for guests like George Knapp who 394 00:15:45,500 --> 00:15:43,350 I'd really want to have on I'm also 395 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:45,510 looking to get James Fox on if anyone 396 00:15:49,370 --> 00:15:47,610 knows how to get ahold of him I really 397 00:15:53,750 --> 00:15:49,380 like to have him on the show he has that 398 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:53,760 movie coming out 701 are you familiar 399 00:15:58,340 --> 00:15:56,250 with that Michael we did a story on it I 400 00:16:02,450 --> 00:15:58,350 guess you're familiar with it then yeah 401 00:16:06,830 --> 00:16:02,460 it is 701 right I i believe it is either 402 00:16:10,250 --> 00:16:06,840 701 or I think it might be the 701 okay 403 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:10,260 and we can't Google anything while we're 404 00:16:17,330 --> 00:16:13,650 recording so we'll just kind of leave it 405 00:16:19,850 --> 00:16:17,340 at that so we have mark Simha from 406 00:16:22,040 --> 00:16:19,860 Beijing China on the line with us right 407 00:16:24,380 --> 00:16:22,050 now how you doing mark and they're well 408 00:16:26,150 --> 00:16:24,390 thank you high mountain hi Michael now 409 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:26,160 it's ten o'clock in the morning as we're 410 00:16:31,340 --> 00:16:28,170 recording are almost 11 here what time 411 00:16:33,170 --> 00:16:31,350 is it there yes 12 hours later some 12 412 00:16:36,050 --> 00:16:33,180 hours ahead of you since our last talk 413 00:16:38,300 --> 00:16:36,060 has anything happened in China yeah well 414 00:16:40,850 --> 00:16:38,310 since we've talked not much has happened 415 00:16:44,750 --> 00:16:40,860 that would have been of course looking 416 00:16:47,150 --> 00:16:44,760 for for news what I noticed was a story 417 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:47,160 from another University in another part 418 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:50,250 of the country in jilin university where 419 00:16:56,030 --> 00:16:53,010 a student so they have seen a bright 420 00:16:59,120 --> 00:16:56,040 light in the sky and they have recorded 421 00:17:02,000 --> 00:16:59,130 it on the video but there's no I've not 422 00:17:04,579 --> 00:17:02,010 found the video itself I've just seen a 423 00:17:06,350 --> 00:17:04,589 posting on a chinese website and that 424 00:17:08,390 --> 00:17:06,360 posting has been translated in english 425 00:17:13,100 --> 00:17:08,400 and it can be found also in english and 426 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:13,110 it's a it's really what you see is what 427 00:17:16,610 --> 00:17:14,610 you have the storyboard you see the 428 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:16,620 picture you see our basically student 429 00:17:22,010 --> 00:17:19,890 pointing at his screen of his computer 430 00:17:25,790 --> 00:17:22,020 and showing showing a bright spot in the 431 00:17:29,810 --> 00:17:25,800 sky so so it it's um i don't know really 432 00:17:32,270 --> 00:17:29,820 what to think about it but it it was the 433 00:17:35,690 --> 00:17:32,280 noticeable story so the university is 434 00:17:40,940 --> 00:17:35,700 located in the city of changchun in the 435 00:17:42,620 --> 00:17:40,950 province of jilin and at night beginning 436 00:17:44,150 --> 00:17:42,630 the first day i'm not sure if it was the 437 00:17:46,910 --> 00:17:44,160 last days of sep tember on the beginning 438 00:17:48,500 --> 00:17:46,920 of the first days of october the 439 00:17:51,710 --> 00:17:48,510 students so bright light in 440 00:17:53,690 --> 00:17:51,720 sky and call his friends because he 441 00:17:55,850 --> 00:17:53,700 didn't have the video and the defense 442 00:17:58,940 --> 00:17:55,860 brought the video and they film it for 443 00:18:02,420 --> 00:17:58,950 two hours and the lights were unmoving 444 00:18:04,250 --> 00:18:02,430 it had three different colors it's not 445 00:18:06,070 --> 00:18:04,260 clear what shape it had its it's more 446 00:18:11,030 --> 00:18:06,080 like a glowing light in the sky and 447 00:18:14,150 --> 00:18:11,040 feedoe after sometime it receded deeper 448 00:18:18,220 --> 00:18:14,160 into the sky or just it just it just 449 00:18:21,980 --> 00:18:18,230 vanished after after some time so that's 450 00:18:24,470 --> 00:18:21,990 that's really really the story that we 451 00:18:27,670 --> 00:18:24,480 have in for basically for the month of 452 00:18:31,070 --> 00:18:27,680 October I'm sure there are others but 453 00:18:33,350 --> 00:18:31,080 that's that's the one I could the 454 00:18:34,730 --> 00:18:33,360 relevant one I could I could find one of 455 00:18:39,740 --> 00:18:34,740 the things I was thinking about after we 456 00:18:42,290 --> 00:18:39,750 spoke last time was one of the areas of 457 00:18:45,890 --> 00:18:42,300 China that gets a lot of attention in 458 00:18:49,570 --> 00:18:45,900 American documentaries on UFOs or are a 459 00:18:53,300 --> 00:18:49,580 lot of mentions are of some kind of 460 00:18:55,490 --> 00:18:53,310 secret pyramids that are supposedly in 461 00:18:57,650 --> 00:18:55,500 China but have been cordon off by the 462 00:18:59,450 --> 00:18:57,660 government and I was wondering if market 463 00:19:03,890 --> 00:18:59,460 ever heard any of those stories or if 464 00:19:06,410 --> 00:19:03,900 that's kind of a purely Western myth 465 00:19:08,360 --> 00:19:06,420 that is bouncing around out here yeah 466 00:19:10,850 --> 00:19:08,370 I'm afraid I've never heard about it but 467 00:19:15,410 --> 00:19:10,860 doesn't mean it the story is not running 468 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:15,420 here but a secret pyramid no I'll 469 00:19:21,500 --> 00:19:19,770 there's no there's no suspicion at least 470 00:19:25,180 --> 00:19:21,510 from the public that that's the you know 471 00:19:28,490 --> 00:19:25,190 the truth is hidden from the public so I 472 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:28,500 what I can I can say is that it 473 00:19:32,510 --> 00:19:30,330 apparently about half the Chinese 474 00:19:35,390 --> 00:19:32,520 believe in UFOs according to some 475 00:19:37,910 --> 00:19:35,400 studies i'm not sure how serious the 476 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:37,920 studies are and how how the pole was 477 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:40,770 made but if i ask around me i get about 478 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:43,530 y'all get about half half people saying 479 00:19:48,170 --> 00:19:45,570 yes i believe in it half people say they 480 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:48,180 don't know are they or they don't so 481 00:19:58,880 --> 00:19:54,090 it's it's it's very much again I think 482 00:20:02,539 --> 00:19:58,890 the UFO phenomena here is is there in in 483 00:20:06,180 --> 00:20:02,549 the sense that it is believed by be 484 00:20:11,510 --> 00:20:06,190 portion of the population and we have a 485 00:20:14,580 --> 00:20:11,520 very wide press coverage of UFO events 486 00:20:17,789 --> 00:20:14,590 worldwide UFO events and when they 487 00:20:21,980 --> 00:20:17,799 happen here and there you don't have the 488 00:20:26,310 --> 00:20:21,990 I've not seen the bunker a kind of 489 00:20:28,380 --> 00:20:26,320 articles but again i'm not able to to 490 00:20:30,810 --> 00:20:28,390 see all the you know the Chinese 491 00:20:33,630 --> 00:20:30,820 articles but basically what i see in in 492 00:20:35,789 --> 00:20:33,640 the press are when there is no specific 493 00:20:39,930 --> 00:20:35,799 chinese event there is the continuous 494 00:20:42,090 --> 00:20:39,940 stream of world UFO news so you know the 495 00:20:47,039 --> 00:20:42,100 last news but peru for example or the 496 00:20:50,070 --> 00:20:47,049 new revelation about area 51 and so this 497 00:20:53,730 --> 00:20:50,080 is this is being published here so we 498 00:20:55,980 --> 00:20:53,740 have it all over the internet on social 499 00:20:58,860 --> 00:20:55,990 media but also also the you know the 500 00:21:02,580 --> 00:20:58,870 more official press just you know 501 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:02,590 translated in english and reprint every 502 00:21:07,049 --> 00:21:05,410 broadcast those those news so we varied 503 00:21:13,260 --> 00:21:07,059 the Chinese are very much in the loop of 504 00:21:16,049 --> 00:21:13,270 the of the informations that Michael 505 00:21:19,610 --> 00:21:16,059 summarized every every every week and 506 00:21:22,950 --> 00:21:19,620 bring to the audience of your podcast 507 00:21:27,299 --> 00:21:22,960 into a sense the Chinese public is 508 00:21:30,419 --> 00:21:27,309 living in the same at the same time then 509 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:30,429 the rest of us the rest of audiences 510 00:21:35,820 --> 00:21:33,730 worldwide you know if you are interested 511 00:21:37,980 --> 00:21:35,830 in UFOs and your Chinese basically you 512 00:21:40,770 --> 00:21:37,990 can read in Chinese more or less what 513 00:21:44,010 --> 00:21:40,780 you could read in English I'd say that's 514 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:44,020 this one one comment I would like to 515 00:21:48,780 --> 00:21:46,090 make in your personal experience then 516 00:21:51,270 --> 00:21:48,790 when when you talk to to the Chinese 517 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:51,280 that you come in contact with and so you 518 00:21:57,210 --> 00:21:54,010 said many of them believe in UFOs the 519 00:21:59,730 --> 00:21:57,220 ones that don't how do they perceive the 520 00:22:01,320 --> 00:21:59,740 ones that do I mean I know in the West 521 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:01,330 there can be a lot of ridicule at least 522 00:22:07,740 --> 00:22:03,610 especially in America it is there that 523 00:22:10,650 --> 00:22:07,750 sense in China in it that crazy people 524 00:22:12,390 --> 00:22:10,660 believe in UFOs or is it is it something 525 00:22:14,909 --> 00:22:12,400 that it's just a different of opinion 526 00:22:16,029 --> 00:22:14,919 and that's that actually people can be 527 00:22:18,700 --> 00:22:16,039 sitting at the same time 528 00:22:21,759 --> 00:22:18,710 and having very different ideas about a 529 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:21,769 about topics and have a very polite 530 00:22:29,259 --> 00:22:25,369 conversation and not trying to convince 531 00:22:31,330 --> 00:22:29,269 the other one I mean certainly in the 532 00:22:33,580 --> 00:22:31,340 States but also also in Europe in my 533 00:22:35,789 --> 00:22:33,590 home country we are very good at 534 00:22:39,820 --> 00:22:35,799 starting fights about many things but 535 00:22:41,799 --> 00:22:39,830 that's not the way here so so people can 536 00:22:43,690 --> 00:22:41,809 debate can people can say yeah I'm 537 00:22:45,249 --> 00:22:43,700 interested in it I'm not interested in 538 00:22:47,590 --> 00:22:45,259 it and this is why that it doesn't go 539 00:22:50,919 --> 00:22:47,600 further than that it's not the there's 540 00:22:52,450 --> 00:22:50,929 less the idea of the truth so what I 541 00:22:54,190 --> 00:22:52,460 believe is the truth and the other 542 00:22:56,169 --> 00:22:54,200 person would believe in an opposite 543 00:22:58,210 --> 00:22:56,179 truth and then there's a battle this 544 00:23:00,999 --> 00:22:58,220 this three doesn't doesn't happen here 545 00:23:03,549 --> 00:23:01,009 and it I think it's much more important 546 00:23:06,219 --> 00:23:03,559 to respect everybody's opinion and 547 00:23:07,779 --> 00:23:06,229 interest also some people are just not 548 00:23:09,669 --> 00:23:07,789 interested in it because they say well 549 00:23:10,899 --> 00:23:09,679 it's it's maybe they may be there is 550 00:23:12,969 --> 00:23:10,909 something high in the sky but really 551 00:23:16,839 --> 00:23:12,979 doesn't for the moment at least doesn't 552 00:23:20,799 --> 00:23:16,849 impact my life today so so I'm much more 553 00:23:23,919 --> 00:23:20,809 interested about here and now and what I 554 00:23:26,109 --> 00:23:23,929 can do to in my busy life busy life to 555 00:23:28,509 --> 00:23:26,119 to make it even better they listened 556 00:23:30,639 --> 00:23:28,519 politely and if they disagree that just 557 00:23:33,599 --> 00:23:30,649 say it's in the babies are we go they're 558 00:23:36,639 --> 00:23:33,609 not interested and that so that's okay 559 00:23:38,950 --> 00:23:36,649 the last time that you're on Travis 560 00:23:41,349 --> 00:23:38,960 Walton was on the show and he listened 561 00:23:45,639 --> 00:23:41,359 to the podcast and he sent me a comment 562 00:23:48,009 --> 00:23:45,649 that he was hosting a group from hong 563 00:23:50,830 --> 00:23:48,019 kong this is back on the sixteenth of 564 00:23:52,479 --> 00:23:50,840 September I'm going to see him in 565 00:23:54,519 --> 00:23:52,489 another couple of days I'll talk to him 566 00:23:57,580 --> 00:23:54,529 about that but I was kind of surprised 567 00:23:59,739 --> 00:23:57,590 this was in huber arizona where the 568 00:24:02,499 --> 00:23:59,749 worry i believe huber arizona is 569 00:24:04,659 --> 00:24:02,509 actually where he showed up when when he 570 00:24:07,269 --> 00:24:04,669 was supposedly dropped off after the 571 00:24:10,180 --> 00:24:07,279 abduction and so I was kind of surprised 572 00:24:12,430 --> 00:24:10,190 to hear that the people from Hong Kong 573 00:24:15,310 --> 00:24:12,440 actually had an interest in the Travis 574 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:15,320 Walton case yes it's interesting I think 575 00:24:21,549 --> 00:24:19,369 there are a number of you know Western 576 00:24:24,599 --> 00:24:21,559 American books written about UFOs who 577 00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:24,609 are translated into Chinese and sold 578 00:24:29,710 --> 00:24:28,129 sold here and read avidly here actually 579 00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:29,720 if you should go to 580 00:24:36,730 --> 00:24:32,570 I don't know if you you can go to the or 581 00:24:38,500 --> 00:24:36,740 Amazon here which is amazon.ca where 582 00:24:41,070 --> 00:24:38,510 it's all written in Chinese but you if 583 00:24:44,050 --> 00:24:41,080 you just type UFO you will see that a 584 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:44,060 great number of books about UFO topics 585 00:24:53,170 --> 00:24:48,410 are sold to to the Chinese public so and 586 00:24:57,340 --> 00:24:53,180 because those you know what we consider 587 00:24:59,470 --> 00:24:57,350 or UFO stories are being translated 588 00:25:02,260 --> 00:24:59,480 weeks after weeks they are today weeks 589 00:25:06,100 --> 00:25:02,270 after weeks in in the Chinese press so 590 00:25:07,630 --> 00:25:06,110 so people read about it and if those 591 00:25:10,420 --> 00:25:07,640 poles are to be believed half people 592 00:25:14,260 --> 00:25:10,430 believe in UFOs so it's it's only 593 00:25:18,130 --> 00:25:14,270 natural that Chinese are today great 594 00:25:20,500 --> 00:25:18,140 travelers and they are closed or they 595 00:25:22,330 --> 00:25:20,510 are the number one people traveling 596 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:22,340 around the world today in terms of 597 00:25:29,890 --> 00:25:26,090 numbers it it makes sense that a number 598 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:29,900 of them when they when they travel 599 00:25:37,270 --> 00:25:34,490 abroad would be interested to to you 600 00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:37,280 know to visit some some people who are a 601 00:25:44,290 --> 00:25:40,610 part of the UFO stories what I've 602 00:25:48,100 --> 00:25:44,300 noticed when I go online here in Beijing 603 00:25:49,990 --> 00:25:48,110 and I use a buy time to time some some 604 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:50,000 items on on amazon right we have the 605 00:25:59,290 --> 00:25:54,650 Chinese amazon.ca n is that if you if 606 00:26:01,390 --> 00:25:59,300 you type UFO in the search engine of 607 00:26:04,930 --> 00:26:01,400 Amazon you you see that there's a lot of 608 00:26:07,120 --> 00:26:04,940 items to to UF for items to buy actually 609 00:26:09,750 --> 00:26:07,130 some some of course some objects shaped 610 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:09,760 like UFOs some toys and so on but also 611 00:26:16,780 --> 00:26:13,210 number of books and those are either 612 00:26:18,790 --> 00:26:16,790 non-fiction accounts of the UFO 613 00:26:23,830 --> 00:26:18,800 phenomenon written by Chinese or by 614 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:23,840 foreigners so you know the some American 615 00:26:31,620 --> 00:26:26,650 bestsellers being translated into into 616 00:26:34,300 --> 00:26:31,630 Chinese and I think they do quite well 617 00:26:41,670 --> 00:26:34,310 so the number of people are reading them 618 00:26:43,450 --> 00:26:41,680 and you have also there's some cases of 619 00:26:48,820 --> 00:26:43,460 contemporary fiction 620 00:26:52,269 --> 00:26:48,830 very novels written about on the subject 621 00:26:56,260 --> 00:26:52,279 of UFOs or the UFO is is part of the of 622 00:26:58,539 --> 00:26:56,270 the storyline and one my favorite has 623 00:27:04,060 --> 00:26:58,549 been is is also you can read it in 624 00:27:07,830 --> 00:27:04,070 English it's from a woman writer female 625 00:27:11,289 --> 00:27:07,840 writer called quacks yolu and first 626 00:27:14,110 --> 00:27:11,299 novel was very entertaining it was 627 00:27:16,990 --> 00:27:14,120 called the English Chinese dictionary 628 00:27:20,620 --> 00:27:17,000 for lovers it was sort of a very funny 629 00:27:25,060 --> 00:27:20,630 account of the Chinese student going to 630 00:27:28,690 --> 00:27:25,070 going to London for to get into a 631 00:27:30,820 --> 00:27:28,700 university and her discovery of the west 632 00:27:36,970 --> 00:27:30,830 and is through the discovery of English 633 00:27:41,169 --> 00:27:36,980 but in a 2009 novel the title its UFO in 634 00:27:43,539 --> 00:27:41,179 our eyes it's at it I think it has been 635 00:27:50,380 --> 00:27:43,549 turned into or it's being turned into 636 00:27:54,100 --> 00:27:50,390 into a movie but she she has the main 637 00:27:59,799 --> 00:27:54,110 character is this sort of funny single 638 00:28:02,289 --> 00:27:59,809 woman in rural South China and she's 639 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:02,299 considered by her village past her prime 640 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:06,730 so she's sort of a loud figure and 641 00:28:12,370 --> 00:28:10,010 everything for her change and her 642 00:28:15,190 --> 00:28:12,380 relation with the you know with the 643 00:28:17,380 --> 00:28:15,200 village and and her village change also 644 00:28:21,279 --> 00:28:17,390 the day she claims that she's seen a 645 00:28:25,810 --> 00:28:21,289 flying saucer and then then she recounts 646 00:28:27,700 --> 00:28:25,820 the story of the book is about the 647 00:28:30,310 --> 00:28:27,710 transformation of her life but also the 648 00:28:33,789 --> 00:28:30,320 transformation of that small town that 649 00:28:36,190 --> 00:28:33,799 grows in size in wealth and all these 650 00:28:39,010 --> 00:28:36,200 really triggered by the UFO bigging it 651 00:28:41,500 --> 00:28:39,020 starts to attract tourists and attracts 652 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:41,510 the the media now one of the things that 653 00:28:47,049 --> 00:28:44,690 always comes to mind when we talk and I 654 00:28:50,230 --> 00:28:47,059 always forget to ask you is there any 655 00:28:52,779 --> 00:28:50,240 accounts of UFOs going back to ancient 656 00:28:54,820 --> 00:28:52,789 times I think this is this is a very 657 00:28:55,990 --> 00:28:54,830 interesting topic and the short answer 658 00:29:00,550 --> 00:28:56,000 is yes 659 00:29:04,510 --> 00:29:00,560 the the one of the earliest account the 660 00:29:09,190 --> 00:29:04,520 most famous one is the one by shen kuo 661 00:29:13,090 --> 00:29:09,200 he's he's a statesman from the Song 662 00:29:15,430 --> 00:29:13,100 Dynasty so he he was a statesman it was 663 00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:15,440 a scientist he was a mathematician he 664 00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:17,930 was an astronomer meteorologist 665 00:29:24,460 --> 00:29:20,210 geologist variety was a musician was a 666 00:29:26,710 --> 00:29:24,470 historian and he was the head official 667 00:29:29,340 --> 00:29:26,720 for the Bureau of astronomy during the 668 00:29:33,940 --> 00:29:29,350 Song Dynasty Song dynasties is sound is 669 00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:33,950 roughly the 11th century and towards the 670 00:29:40,810 --> 00:29:37,730 end of his life he wrote a sort of 671 00:29:47,830 --> 00:29:40,820 scientific compilation called the dream 672 00:29:49,780 --> 00:29:47,840 pool si that's dated 1088 and in it did 673 00:29:52,150 --> 00:29:49,790 a number of very interesting document 674 00:29:55,540 --> 00:29:52,160 for example Shan was the first to 675 00:29:58,120 --> 00:29:55,550 describe the magnetic needle compass for 676 00:30:02,890 --> 00:29:58,130 used for navigation and you know 677 00:30:05,980 --> 00:30:02,900 described by by neca 100 years later but 678 00:30:08,260 --> 00:30:05,990 also in the dream policies you have the 679 00:30:12,010 --> 00:30:08,270 discovery of the concept of the true 680 00:30:15,550 --> 00:30:12,020 pole compared to the North Pole and he 681 00:30:17,650 --> 00:30:15,560 made experiment and he proved it and he 682 00:30:20,260 --> 00:30:17,660 proved it and wrote about it in that 683 00:30:26,140 --> 00:30:20,270 dream police says some basically some 684 00:30:31,150 --> 00:30:26,150 400 years before before we that concept 685 00:30:33,220 --> 00:30:31,160 is fun again in in Europe so is very 686 00:30:37,450 --> 00:30:33,230 much at the cutting edge of his time and 687 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:37,460 he has a passage in a chapter in in this 688 00:30:43,380 --> 00:30:40,010 in this essay which is called strange 689 00:30:49,930 --> 00:30:43,390 happenings and happenings in Pearl and 690 00:30:53,590 --> 00:30:49,940 this this is a account of a unidentified 691 00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:53,600 flying object and he he dates it this is 692 00:31:01,290 --> 00:30:57,170 a record on Evan it dates it from one of 693 00:31:04,899 --> 00:31:01,300 the Emperor called Rand zone and from 694 00:31:08,589 --> 00:31:04,909 1022 to 1063 695 00:31:11,169 --> 00:31:08,599 and the the description is like a the 696 00:31:14,710 --> 00:31:11,179 objects like a bright pearl hovering 697 00:31:18,580 --> 00:31:14,720 over the city of of young dro at night 698 00:31:22,749 --> 00:31:18,590 and so so it's been described by local 699 00:31:27,399 --> 00:31:22,759 inhabitants in so in young choice is in 700 00:31:30,549 --> 00:31:27,409 today in Jiangsu province and so this is 701 00:31:32,379 --> 00:31:30,559 the maybe i can i can read quickly the 702 00:31:35,349 --> 00:31:32,389 main description because i think it is 703 00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:35,359 extremely contemporary actually i don't 704 00:31:42,909 --> 00:31:38,450 know what you what do you think about it 705 00:31:45,039 --> 00:31:42,919 but this is an account from a poet who 706 00:31:48,700 --> 00:31:45,049 wrote after one of the sightings and you 707 00:31:51,580 --> 00:31:48,710 say when i open its door and a flood of 708 00:31:53,799 --> 00:31:51,590 intense light like sunbeams started out 709 00:31:57,339 --> 00:31:53,809 of it then the outer shell opened up 710 00:32:00,339 --> 00:31:57,349 appearing as a large as a bed with a big 711 00:32:03,460 --> 00:32:00,349 pearl the size of a feast eliminating 712 00:32:06,849 --> 00:32:03,470 the interior in silver lee sorry silvery 713 00:32:09,190 --> 00:32:06,859 white the intense silvery white light 714 00:32:12,339 --> 00:32:09,200 shot from the interior was too strong 715 00:32:15,639 --> 00:32:12,349 for human eyes to behold and it casts 716 00:32:18,759 --> 00:32:15,649 shadows of every tree within the radius 717 00:32:21,609 --> 00:32:18,769 of 10 miles the spectacle was like the 718 00:32:25,659 --> 00:32:21,619 Rising Sun lighting up the distant sky 719 00:32:27,879 --> 00:32:25,669 and woods in red then all of a sudden 720 00:32:30,909 --> 00:32:27,889 the object took off at a tremendous 721 00:32:35,369 --> 00:32:30,919 speed and decided upon the lake like the 722 00:32:39,909 --> 00:32:35,379 Sun setting so that's a dozen exert of 723 00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:39,919 this 11th century description from from 724 00:32:46,570 --> 00:32:43,970 Shen and the pearl this sort so I call 725 00:32:49,779 --> 00:32:46,580 it calls it a pearl as you call it this 726 00:32:52,690 --> 00:32:49,789 strange appearance returns and returns 727 00:32:55,599 --> 00:32:52,700 so the people started to erect a pearl 728 00:32:58,930 --> 00:32:55,609 pavilion on the wayside so people can 729 00:33:01,570 --> 00:32:58,940 come on the boats on the boat and on 730 00:33:05,669 --> 00:33:01,580 that Lake and and hope to see the 731 00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:08,680 so that that's a striking sort of very 732 00:33:15,430 --> 00:33:11,210 ancient testimony and I think a very 733 00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:15,440 beautiful one and somehow very similar 734 00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:17,370 to to today's accountant 735 00:33:22,190 --> 00:33:19,530 both of you think about that yeah 736 00:33:24,470 --> 00:33:22,200 absolutely I know you're a teacher in 737 00:33:28,100 --> 00:33:24,480 Beijing do any other students know about 738 00:33:30,170 --> 00:33:28,110 your book the Texas slides and that you 739 00:33:35,030 --> 00:33:30,180 have an interest in UFOs yes I'm 740 00:33:40,070 --> 00:33:35,040 teaching in one of the main language 741 00:33:43,270 --> 00:33:40,080 universities of Beijing and yes they do 742 00:33:45,740 --> 00:33:43,280 know they do know of course and I think 743 00:33:50,870 --> 00:33:45,750 some of them have been interested in it 744 00:33:52,580 --> 00:33:50,880 and some of them have read it and the 745 00:33:55,780 --> 00:33:52,590 rich the reaction has been as been good 746 00:33:59,690 --> 00:33:55,790 overall I've not I've not you know 747 00:34:01,820 --> 00:33:59,700 people people I please i'm using my my 748 00:34:04,460 --> 00:34:01,830 free time during my vacation to to do 749 00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:04,470 some some writing and and it's but it 750 00:34:10,610 --> 00:34:07,530 seems to be perfectly okay that the you 751 00:34:14,570 --> 00:34:10,620 know the big theme of the book is is a 752 00:34:17,450 --> 00:34:14,580 map is sort of recount of the stiffened 753 00:34:20,240 --> 00:34:17,460 vilma sighting so i got a lot of support 754 00:34:23,750 --> 00:34:20,250 and not just from from the from my 755 00:34:27,619 --> 00:34:23,760 students but also from my colleagues who 756 00:34:30,590 --> 00:34:27,629 who read the books the book and not all 757 00:34:34,510 --> 00:34:30,600 of them but some of them and i had even 758 00:34:39,889 --> 00:34:34,520 you know big congratulation from from 759 00:34:42,860 --> 00:34:39,899 from one of them and so so now I has 760 00:34:44,980 --> 00:34:42,870 been a great personal experience for me 761 00:34:49,730 --> 00:34:44,990 to go through with that topic and try to 762 00:34:51,470 --> 00:34:49,740 to to dig deep within myself what I 763 00:34:54,110 --> 00:34:51,480 thought about the topic so that was a 764 00:34:58,070 --> 00:34:54,120 sort of journey for me through fiction 765 00:35:00,920 --> 00:34:58,080 to figure out what was my my ideas aware 766 00:35:04,190 --> 00:35:00,930 would the UFO story would take me and 767 00:35:08,380 --> 00:35:04,200 also have to say that ever since I've 768 00:35:11,420 --> 00:35:08,390 published Texas slides I and by 769 00:35:13,340 --> 00:35:11,430 contacting first of all contacting you 770 00:35:16,010 --> 00:35:13,350 and your podcast and I have to say I'm 771 00:35:19,820 --> 00:35:16,020 very grateful because you were you were 772 00:35:23,660 --> 00:35:19,830 the first one that accepted to to do a 773 00:35:26,030 --> 00:35:23,670 an interview with me and that was some 774 00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:26,040 forever grateful for that Martin and 775 00:35:31,180 --> 00:35:30,570 also I learned a lot about the the UFO 776 00:35:34,180 --> 00:35:31,190 community 777 00:35:38,099 --> 00:35:34,190 by just you know speaking about my book 778 00:35:41,250 --> 00:35:38,109 in in different forums and so I've been 779 00:35:46,349 --> 00:35:41,260 educating myself on the topic of UFOs 780 00:35:48,339 --> 00:35:46,359 after I published the Texas slides and 781 00:35:51,010 --> 00:35:48,349 getting to know a little bit better 782 00:35:53,230 --> 00:35:51,020 people who will know much more about the 783 00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:53,240 topic than me I love having you on as 784 00:35:57,790 --> 00:35:55,490 each China correspondent it's always fun 785 00:35:59,859 --> 00:35:57,800 talking to you well thank you Thank You 786 00:36:02,470 --> 00:35:59,869 Martin thank you Michael it's always 787 00:36:04,809 --> 00:36:02,480 good to talk to you Thank You time I get 788 00:36:07,059 --> 00:36:04,819 some rest so Michael I have Nick 789 00:36:08,319 --> 00:36:07,069 Redferns going to be on next week he's 790 00:36:11,370 --> 00:36:08,329 going to be talking about his new book 791 00:36:13,720 --> 00:36:11,380 which is called for nobody's eyes only 792 00:36:16,210 --> 00:36:13,730 missing government files and hidden 793 00:36:19,710 --> 00:36:16,220 archives that document the truth behind 794 00:36:22,390 --> 00:36:19,720 the most enduring conspiracy theories 795 00:36:25,359 --> 00:36:22,400 I'm wondering if UFOs as part of this 796 00:36:27,730 --> 00:36:25,369 site was contacted by his publisher do 797 00:36:29,740 --> 00:36:27,740 you know anything about a nick redfern I 798 00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:29,750 know that a lot of people think highly 799 00:36:35,170 --> 00:36:32,210 of him and a lot of people have been 800 00:36:40,839 --> 00:36:35,180 contacting me about him never heard of 801 00:36:44,069 --> 00:36:40,849 him okay uh well you know Nick is 802 00:36:48,870 --> 00:36:44,079 obviously a very well-known figure in 803 00:36:51,339 --> 00:36:48,880 the field not just of UFOs but of 804 00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:51,349 quote-unquote paranormal subjects in 805 00:36:56,890 --> 00:36:53,530 general he's written books on 806 00:36:59,950 --> 00:36:56,900 cryptozoology and the men in black kiss 807 00:37:03,250 --> 00:36:59,960 his alternative version of Roswell our 808 00:37:04,900 --> 00:37:03,260 alternate explanation the NASA 809 00:37:07,740 --> 00:37:04,910 conspiracies I believe that was one of 810 00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:07,750 his titles too I mean he's all over uh 811 00:37:12,690 --> 00:37:10,970 as far as topic matter and and he's you 812 00:37:14,770 --> 00:37:12,700 know he ends up in quite a few 813 00:37:18,430 --> 00:37:14,780 documentaries and television shows as 814 00:37:19,780 --> 00:37:18,440 well so um he he is a pretty 815 00:37:22,300 --> 00:37:19,790 knowledgeable guide should be a really 816 00:37:24,970 --> 00:37:22,310 good interview I think so now do you 817 00:37:28,690 --> 00:37:24,980 know the thing behind the alternate 818 00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:28,700 Roswell I hope that I'm not speaking out 819 00:37:36,420 --> 00:37:31,130 of turn I am pretty sure it was him who 820 00:37:40,990 --> 00:37:36,430 put forward the the theory that it was a 821 00:37:44,030 --> 00:37:41,000 secret test craft of ours that had some 822 00:37:48,809 --> 00:37:44,040 kind of um 823 00:37:51,270 --> 00:37:48,819 basically deformed children inside of it 824 00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:51,280 Wow I'm gonna have to ask him about that 825 00:37:54,359 --> 00:37:53,290 so Michael you know getting back to what 826 00:37:57,450 --> 00:37:54,369 we're talking about when we first 827 00:37:59,700 --> 00:37:57,460 started the show me picking on dr. 828 00:38:02,490 --> 00:37:59,710 Steven Greer and then getting you know 829 00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:02,500 sort of a threat and then a couple of 830 00:38:06,510 --> 00:38:05,170 nasty comments you know how I feel about 831 00:38:08,819 --> 00:38:06,520 the show I don't know how you feel you 832 00:38:11,819 --> 00:38:08,829 know I consider you a partner in the 833 00:38:13,980 --> 00:38:11,829 show in how I feel about it is if 834 00:38:17,450 --> 00:38:13,990 someone is not happy with what we're 835 00:38:21,420 --> 00:38:17,460 saying just unplug your ipod and go away 836 00:38:27,620 --> 00:38:21,430 how do you like that well here's my 837 00:38:31,109 --> 00:38:27,630 thing I do believe that there are UFOs I 838 00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:31,119 personally believe that they are that at 839 00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:32,890 least some of them are some kind of 840 00:38:39,420 --> 00:38:36,010 intelligent Lee controlled craft I don't 841 00:38:44,069 --> 00:38:39,430 think that because I believe in UFOs I 842 00:38:48,140 --> 00:38:44,079 have to believe in every UFO story and 843 00:38:51,030 --> 00:38:48,150 there are people who i think are 844 00:38:54,990 --> 00:38:51,040 legitimately dishonest there are people 845 00:38:58,250 --> 00:38:55,000 that I think are out to take money from 846 00:39:02,370 --> 00:38:58,260 people and I don't see where I need to 847 00:39:05,789 --> 00:39:02,380 respect them if you are selling trips to 848 00:39:07,770 --> 00:39:05,799 see invisible UFOs things like that I am 849 00:39:10,170 --> 00:39:07,780 going to have a distrust of you and and 850 00:39:12,210 --> 00:39:10,180 just because I believe in UFOs I don't 851 00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:12,220 let you know i I don't I don't feel 852 00:39:16,799 --> 00:39:14,010 obligated to believe everything and I 853 00:39:20,370 --> 00:39:16,809 believe part of our job on the show is 854 00:39:24,690 --> 00:39:20,380 to is to take an editorial position and 855 00:39:26,720 --> 00:39:24,700 and draw a line and and say this is you 856 00:39:29,579 --> 00:39:26,730 know this is what we're willing to 857 00:39:33,720 --> 00:39:29,589 intellectually invest in or or not 858 00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:33,730 invest in and um kind of like Mark was 859 00:39:40,079 --> 00:39:37,210 saying just because I choose not to 860 00:39:42,720 --> 00:39:40,089 wholeheartedly believe so sir I'm not 861 00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:42,730 necessarily calling people liars you 862 00:39:46,650 --> 00:39:45,130 know I can respectfully say I you know 863 00:39:49,470 --> 00:39:46,660 maybe there's an alternate explanation 864 00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:49,480 to a lot of things you know and then 865 00:39:52,890 --> 00:39:50,890 there are a few people that like I said 866 00:39:54,930 --> 00:39:52,900 I think are basically taking people's 867 00:39:56,700 --> 00:39:54,940 money and and I don't feel bad about 868 00:40:00,089 --> 00:39:56,710 making fun of that call 869 00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:00,099 I'm gonna stop short of specifically may 870 00:40:05,370 --> 00:40:02,650 be calling people out because some of 871 00:40:09,089 --> 00:40:05,380 those people are very lawyer happy yeah 872 00:40:13,050 --> 00:40:09,099 well it's I get an email from Peggy this 873 00:40:16,170 --> 00:40:13,060 morning in Vegas I guess Charles Hall is 874 00:40:19,050 --> 00:40:16,180 speaking about the tall whites he was in 875 00:40:21,060 --> 00:40:19,060 the military but still I think he's way 876 00:40:22,410 --> 00:40:21,070 out there and so I wrote her back and 877 00:40:24,530 --> 00:40:22,420 said you know I should have him on just 878 00:40:27,210 --> 00:40:24,540 to hear what he has to say and then 879 00:40:29,900 --> 00:40:27,220 sometimes I feel like having people that 880 00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:29,910 are way out there on just so I can 881 00:40:33,710 --> 00:40:32,170 confront them and you and I had talked 882 00:40:36,870 --> 00:40:33,720 about doing something like that before 883 00:40:38,670 --> 00:40:36,880 there are some people that do cause a 884 00:40:40,620 --> 00:40:38,680 little bit of damage in other people's 885 00:40:43,530 --> 00:40:40,630 lives I don't think in particular 886 00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:43,540 Charles Hall does but his stories are 887 00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:45,970 pretty far-fetched right and that 888 00:40:53,130 --> 00:40:47,890 doesn't like I said that doesn't 889 00:40:56,250 --> 00:40:53,140 necessarily mean that he is lying it's 890 00:40:58,020 --> 00:40:56,260 just gonna take a little bit more proof 891 00:41:01,500 --> 00:40:58,030 in the case of something like that for 892 00:41:03,690 --> 00:41:01,510 me to like I said intellectually invest 893 00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:03,700 in something when it comes to these 894 00:41:07,859 --> 00:41:06,130 personal experiences you know people 895 00:41:10,260 --> 00:41:07,869 start to take it personally I mean 896 00:41:13,339 --> 00:41:10,270 that's natural and and unfortunately I 897 00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:13,349 think a lot of experience errs 898 00:41:20,130 --> 00:41:16,690 especially but but just UFO enthusiasts 899 00:41:22,890 --> 00:41:20,140 in general kind of see that that it's an 900 00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:22,900 all-or-nothing game you have to believe 901 00:41:28,620 --> 00:41:26,530 it all or you you don't believe it at 902 00:41:29,790 --> 00:41:28,630 all and and I don't I definitely don't 903 00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:29,800 see that I mean there's there's too much 904 00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:32,170 contradiction in the field you can't 905 00:41:36,180 --> 00:41:34,330 believe everyone and and people with 906 00:41:38,609 --> 00:41:36,190 conflicting stories aren't necessarily 907 00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:38,619 government agent and then like I said 908 00:41:42,359 --> 00:41:40,330 there's another subgroup who were just 909 00:41:44,460 --> 00:41:42,369 really out to make a buck at this point 910 00:41:47,130 --> 00:41:44,470 and and they're probably the most 911 00:41:48,540 --> 00:41:47,140 dangerous of all yeah actually they the 912 00:41:50,490 --> 00:41:48,550 kind of the threat that I was talking 913 00:41:54,240 --> 00:41:50,500 about that I get someone that was very 914 00:41:55,740 --> 00:41:54,250 upset and that particular person falls 915 00:41:58,410 --> 00:41:55,750 right into the category you're talking 916 00:42:00,540 --> 00:41:58,420 about someone that believes at all and 917 00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:00,550 wants to believe it all and then is 918 00:42:05,070 --> 00:42:03,130 angry at people don't that don't believe 919 00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:05,080 it all if you remember back to the 920 00:42:10,260 --> 00:42:09,010 x-files wait way back now 20 20 years 921 00:42:13,260 --> 00:42:10,270 ago 922 00:42:15,270 --> 00:42:13,270 the poster that came out of it that was 923 00:42:19,590 --> 00:42:15,280 on Fox Mulder's wall that they made part 924 00:42:21,930 --> 00:42:19,600 of the beginning is it wasn't a picture 925 00:42:25,170 --> 00:42:21,940 of a UFO and I believe it wasn't a 926 00:42:26,850 --> 00:42:25,180 picture of UFO and believe or or even 927 00:42:30,090 --> 00:42:26,860 the truth is out there which was the end 928 00:42:33,150 --> 00:42:30,100 of the opening sequence the poster said 929 00:42:34,740 --> 00:42:33,160 I want to believe right and that's one 930 00:42:37,620 --> 00:42:34,750 of those things it can be read two ways 931 00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:37,630 it's you know like I want to believe but 932 00:42:43,020 --> 00:42:40,210 I don't quite I want this to be true but 933 00:42:45,090 --> 00:42:43,030 I'm not seeing it yet or it can be that 934 00:42:48,570 --> 00:42:45,100 I want to believe everything that comes 935 00:42:51,660 --> 00:42:48,580 down the pike i wanna i have pre-chosen 936 00:42:53,610 --> 00:42:51,670 if if you are gonna tell me about aliens 937 00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:53,620 and flying saucers I believe you no 938 00:42:57,420 --> 00:42:55,690 matter what you say you know if you try 939 00:43:01,280 --> 00:42:57,430 to convince me that Muppets are actually 940 00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:01,290 aliens good enough for me they're not uh 941 00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:04,210 I sought in a cartoon what must be true 942 00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:06,850 yeah but all right Michael will see you 943 00:43:11,010 --> 00:43:09,010 will be on with Nick Redfern next week 944 00:43:12,710 --> 00:43:11,020 and yeah and we can we can talk about 945 00:43:15,660 --> 00:43:12,720 the hate mail we get this week 946 00:43:17,490 --> 00:43:15,670 absolutely all right talk to you next 947 00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:17,500 week all right you have a great week you 948 00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:19,330 too thank you for listening to our show 949 00:43:24,270 --> 00:43:20,890 and please remember to check out our 950 00:43:26,670 --> 00:43:24,280 website podcast UFO calm for the latest 951 00:43:29,310 --> 00:43:26,680 blogs and forums we will be back next